CLM(青少儿精神康复系统)项目主任Kristen女士访谈录

2020年3月，深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部引进美国Tucci Learning Solutions,Inc(以下简称Tucci公司）先进的CLM（青少儿精神康复系统）以后，完成中国CLM专利技术申报备案，获取中国国家版权局专利技术证书。近两年来，随着康复中心孩子们越来越多，美灵星一直有一个心愿，希望对CLM创始人Vicci Tucci女士及其项目主任Kristen女士、康复培训主管Ran-Ann女士、临床大区主任Christina女士、BCBA&CLM教练Danielle女士等进行深度访问，今天这个愿望实现了，首先为大家介绍美国CLM项目主任Kristen女士，以下是记者对她的访谈实录。

Ｒeporter：Dear Ms. Kristen, Hello! It is an honor to have the opportunity to interview you. CLM has a history of nearly 40 years. How many countries are using the CLM system and how effective is it? How many states in the U.S. use the CLM system, how many children have you treated, and other than the autistic group, who is suitable for CLM rehabilitation training?

记者：尊敬的Kristen女士，您好！很荣幸有机会采访到您。CLM在美国有近40年的历史，有多少个国家在使用CLM系统，效果如何？美国有多少个州使用CLM系统，你们都治疗了多少儿童，除了孤独症群体，还有哪些人适合接受CLM的康复训练？

Kristen:There are currently 8 countries implementing the CLM outside of the US. France, UAE, Canada, China, Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, Malaysia, UK, Philippines. When CLM is systematically implemented, it produces a very efficient learning with really high outcome. It is a very efficient way to learn and to teach. They are currently 5 states in USA that have CLM implementation. We have about 25 licensed CLM implementations inside the USA. I mean thatcould be a few more, but I think around 25 implementations right now in the US. To answer that, i would say that Vicci Tucci, the CEO and a founder of competent learner model. It is hard to say how many people have been trained exactly in CLM, but I think because the CLM is a train the trainer model,you coach people and then they coach others. I would say thousand of learners have been impacted by CLM across 40 years of works.

The competent learner model really teaches the skills that educators need to teach kids to participate in their education, in life,in their job. It suitable for anyone really, for any child who is struggling to participate in a learning environment, would benefit form the CLM instruction. It could be useful in preschool, in special education setting and rehabilitation clinic that focus on behavioral analysis, like the Maxstar Clinic. And also you know, any family with the child who is struggling with behavior challenges would benefit from CLM. 

Kristen：CLM（青少儿精神康复系统）总部在美国加州，在过去40年里，除了在加州、宾夕法尼亚州、维吉尼亚州等美国５个州普及使用之外，CLM康复系统还在法国、英国、阿拉伯联合酋长国、加拿大、中国、沙特阿拉伯、保加利亚、马来西亚、菲律宾等10多个国家广泛应用。目前CLM在美国已经获得了大约25个许可证，再加上云技术的应用，CLM的使用者在全球数量急剧增加，这真是一个让人感到神奇事情，就连CLM系统的发明人——Vicci Tucci女士，她都很难说清有多少人受益于CLM的培训。

CLM的教学模式，是以康复师在与孩子们玩耍过程中训练他们的各项技能。在这40年里，有太多的学习者受到CLM的影响，他们从CLM中获益，在听、说、读、写、参与、观察和解决问题的7项能力都有不同程度的提高。CLM不但适合孤独症谱系儿童，而且适合需要提升各项技能任何年龄的群体。

与美国其他康复方法相比较，CLM在美国孤独症家庭及其训练师心目中有极高的信誉，CLM是一种非常有效的学习和教学方法，当这个康复系统被实施时，它会产生一个特别高效的学习效果，因此会让参与训练的人员收获非常好的训练结果。

从我个人学习CLM以及康复师的角度，我认为CLM教会了教育者如何教小孩参与到他们的学习、生活中，对于任何一个在学习中困惑挣扎的孩子来说，他们都将从CLM教学中受益。比如CLM可以在学前教育、特殊教育环境和专注于行为分析的康复诊所中使用，比如深圳美灵星心理专科门诊部（Maxstar）。无论在世界哪个国家，只要有CLM康复系统实施的地方，所有参与学习训练的任何一个有行为障碍的孩子和家庭都会从CLM中获得他们想在提升的技能和能力。

Kristen女士在美国（３）

Reporter：As a mature project, CLM is used in many developed countries. On June 29, 2019, the CLM project was officially introduced to China Maxstar clinic. What kind of preparatory work have you done?

记者：CLM作为一个成熟的项目在很多发达国家使用，在2019年6月29日把CLM项目正式引进到中国美灵星来，你们都曾做过哪些前期的准备工作？

Kristen: that’s a good question, I would say to prepare for this implementation, it’s part of Vicci original dream to have a mission creating a nation of competent learners. So having a vision come first. And second looking for people who believe in share value to have everyone participated equally in work, in school, in society. So we look for people we share the value, and then we looking people who are playful, and we look for people who want to make other people live better, who wanna do good work. The work that we do is seeking people who really care and who want to do the work for the kids. When we found people like that, like we found Dr. Dinxin Jia. She has a real heart for this work, she is highly skill and she came to California and train with us. We have sponsor working with us in our agency. Individually form China specifically and they come to California and they work with us directly. And they are helping us translate the competent learner model into chinese, which is a big challenge. But that is part of cooperation for expending the model into China to make sure that the curriculum and the resources are available for people in China.

Kristen：这是一个好问题！Vicci女士在最初创建CLM康复系统时，她提出CLM的使命：第一，建设有能力的学习者的家园；第二，寻找那些相信共享价值的人，让每个人平等地参与到工作、学校和社会生活中。所以，在我们的工作和生活中，我们一边训练孩子，一边寻找有共同价值观的合作伙伴。

在CLM加州总部，我见到了来自中国的贾丁鑫医生，她从芝加哥来加州学习CLM康复系统，并且和我们一起训练孤独症儿童，她是一位美丽善良、勤奋好学、爱岗敬业精神科医生。从她的身上，我看到了中国的希望，她就是我们要找的中国合作伙伴，通过贾丁鑫医生引荐，我认识了深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部负责人姜山院长，为了把CLM系统引进美灵星，我们组建了团队专门编写了CLM手册，并请专业人员把有能力学习者模式翻译成中文。与深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部（Maxstar）合作，对我们来说一个很大的挑战，但这仅仅是将该模式推广到中国合作的一部分，这是我们确保中国CLM学习者能够获得课程和资源。

不仅如此，深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部引进美国Ｔucci先进的CLM应用行为康复技术后，于2020年3月完成中国CLM专利技术申报备案，中国国家版权局专利技术证书（注册号2020-Ｌ-01003228，29，30，31），CLM执业证书是经国际应用行为分析协会（ABAI）认证的国际执业证书。

Reporter：Professor Jia Dingxin has worked for Tucci Company in the United States for many years. What kind of work does she work in and why did you send her to China Maxstar clinic to promote the CLM project? How do you rate her?

记者：贾丁鑫教授在美国Tucci公司工作多年，她具体从事哪方面的工作，为什么派她来中国美灵星推广CLM项目？您对她的评价如何？

Kristen: She is amazing of course. I mean we love her. When she came to California, she came to work in 2019. And she started working directly in a home program as a one to one therapist. And she has been trained in the coaching model. She has also attended the training to be CLM coordinator, which is allowing her to bring the CLM to Maxstar Clinic by going through the course work and study, and practicing as a one to one therapist. That allow expand the CLM into another setting. So we love working with her, we think that she so playful with the kids. She such a supportive, a very supportive coach and colleague. I think she is a great CLM coach.

Kristen：2019年，贾丁鑫医生来到加州，与我们一起运用CLM训练孤独症儿童。最开始她是在一个家庭项目中做一对一的治疗师，为了更快提高训练效果，贾丁鑫医生在训练期间还参加了CLM教练模式的训练，CLM协调员培训等专业训练技能培训，这使她能够通过课程的工作和学习，很顺利地把CLM带到深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部（Maxstar），并且开始了在中国一对一的治疗师实践过程，通过贾丁鑫医生在中国的实践，我们看到了中国有更多孤独症孩子及其家庭从中受益，走出困惑，这是我们最开心的事情。

贾丁鑫医生是一位非常有爱心和耐心的精神科医生，在工作期间她和孩子们玩得很开心，不但孩子们喜欢她，我们也喜欢与她在一起；她不但训练孩子方面很专业，在与我们工作互动时，她非常支持其他教练和同事，在我的心目中，我认为贾丁鑫医生是一个伟大的CLM金牌教练。

Reporter：In the future, what is the goal of the CLM project in China?

记者：在未来，CLM项目在中国的目标是什么？

Kristen: Well, we really would love to strengthen our partnership with the Maxstar Clinic by expanding the coaches. You know you have to get someone train. And then they have to know how to train the next person. This is the train the trainer model and so to expand the project in China will relyl  on someone being train and then being able to train the next person. It’s vital to find people who want to be a good coach. That would help the kids. We really want to expand the concept of playful engagement for services in China. That is one of the principles of the CLM is playful engagement and so teaching people how to teach through play is necessary component. 

Kristen：目前来看，CLM在40年的发展中，通过不断地完善，不断地扩展，以至于世界上10多个国家和地区都已经加入进来，但是我们非常重视与中国的合作，特别是找到了像贾丁鑫医生与姜山院长这样非常优秀的合作者，我们非常的幸运，也非常地高兴！

在未来，我们将以深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部（Maxstar）作为在中国的窗口，通过美灵星培训出更多CLM康复师。在以后的日子里，我们需要与美灵星更加紧密深度合作，同时也希望将来在中国扩大这个项目。

CLM的核心理念就是在玩中学习，康复师所从事的工作就是如何通过陪孩子玩耍进行教学，提高孩子们的各项综合能力。据我了解，很多人很难接受这样的理念，所以，我们必须要通过深圳美灵星临床心理专科门诊部（Maxstar）向患者普及CLM科学先进的学习理念，希望更多的中国患者受益，同时也能帮助他们家庭走出困惑！